My Two Cents--May 18, 2012
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— Ted Nugent was not so crazy about guns until he had ducked out of the Vietnam War and found out rabbits don’t shoot back.

— The people who wrote the Bible were inspired by God to write it. For the people who believe in homosexual marriage, read from the Old and the New Testament what God says about it. Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, and finally Romans 1:24-32. Don’t try to force this behavior on Christians. It’s the sin that is hated, not the person.

— I read this week the county budget is going to increase by over 6 percent. The post office is going to lose over $17 billion this year. The City Park Golf Club is losing almost $80,000 this year. We have or we are going to vote on new SPLOST programs this year. When are the federal, state and local governments going to stop?

— Back in the 60s and 70s parents went to jail if they did not send their children to school. So today kids are running all over the trailer park and I ask them why they were not in school. I was told by them that they were “home schooled.” When I asked what they were learning, I was told, “We just play all day.”

— Lately, my wife has been nagging me and demanding that I do a lot of chores around the house. I told her that if she did not shape up, I would do one of those gay marriages.

— I get tired of seeing all these baggy britches around town. Pull your pants up, you fools.

— Today, I saw a golf cart sign in Griffin. What is becoming of our town? Are we going to become the next Peachtree City?

— The same politicians who rammed the new airport down our throats now want us to vote for the T-SPLOST. I will be voting no.

— I would like one of the county commissioners to tell us where the money to pay for a new airport is coming from when the T-SPLOST is voted down. Why are they already electing advisory boards and planning contracts for a new airport when we haven’t voted? The people of Spalding County have voted repeatedly in the past not to pay for a new airport.

— Oh no. Obama has endorsed gay marriages. The next thing you know, the federal government will require everyone to get one.

— If you want more adoptions, try lowering the adoption fees. That just might do the trick.

— Who needs the comics page? Whenever I need a laugh, I read the My Two Cents. What a bunch of morons.

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branders
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May 23, 2012
Why does anyone who is not homosexual care if homosexuals get married? How does it ever logically effect your life? Your religious beliefs are your religious beliefs. They are not necessarily shared by everyone. The way most Christians act on a daily basis is contrary to the Bible entirely. Who cares? Mind your own business. It doesn't change your life unless you are the homosexual getting married, and for them it changes their lives for the better. If there happens to be a God..the loving, wonderful God everyone screams about, I think he'd be reconsidering your admittance to Heaven..because it's just hateful that people with no dice in these people's lives have such a bearing on what happens inside of them.
branders
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May 23, 2012
The world is constantly changing. Blacks and whites didn't have the right to get married. Women didn't have the right to vote. Don't you get it? In all of the civil rights debates, equality has eventually won outright. Why? Because it is fundamentally the right way to go. We are all here on this planet together. We are all equal.
JulieBrandenburg
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May 21, 2012
Clarabow: Your chastising me is irrelevant to the issues on this forum. I have judged no one. I simply stated why I believe what I believe. As far as my equal: a male can never be a nurturing mother and a female can never be a discipling father. Its unfortunate that you claim that I "spew hate" just because I don't agree with the masses on here. I am not one of those who quotes the bible. I believe it is up to each persons interpretation.

I think the question I asked about bath houses is relevent. And sorry if you don't see this, not wanting to "freak you out" as you say, but the difference between heterosexuals and homosexuals is the act of sex itself. If it weren't, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Interesting though, from someone who does read the bible occasionally, I believe the greatest of all is "love". I have been told that I am a very direct person and will completely agree with that. Sometimes its a positive, sometimes a negative. Alas, its who I am. I do believe in telling the truth as I know it. I certainly apologize to anyone whom I may have offended, including yourself, on this site. One thing is for sure, I don't beat around the bush.

I can respect everyone, and at the same time not like everything about everyone. Unlike yourself, I have called no one names or as you asked of me "When will you get it through your thick, ignorant skull that marriage is not reserved for Christians?"

I have never stated that marriage is only reserved for Christians. I believe that a marriage should only be between a man and a woman. They can be anything they want religiously, spiritually.

Cheers to freedom of speech. Even if its not what you want to hear.
HenryRoth
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May 22, 2012
Ms. Brandenburg,

I can respect your opinions because your certainly have a right to your opinion and I appreciate your zeal the fact that you are straightforward and speak up for what you believe in.

However, I do believe you should reconsider your attitude and approach to what you say.

You say you are an "occasional" reader of the Bible. I suggest you study your Bible more and really delve into what it says.

If you do, you will find that King David was an adulterer, liar and murderer; Jacob (the patriarch of the nation of Israel) was a swindler; Solomon had 300 wives and 700 concubines; Peter denied Christ; Paul persecuted Christians; Abraham and Isaac were liars; Moses was a murderer; Jonah was rebellious. My point is that we are all sinners and that homosexuality is no worse than anything else. We all fall short. There is none who is truly righteous without Christ. And I bet if you look into the mirror and into your own soul, you will see where you have committed sins and are no better than gays and have no room to judge them.

Do I support gay marriage? No, but I really do love gay people and I CANNOT and WILL NOT mistreat them. I have known gay people and have had gay friends who act more Christian than so-called "Christians". Some of them who are my dear friends are truly good people and I cannot mistreat them. I try to understand people and see where they are coming from even if I don't agree with their lifestyles. Bashing people doesn't solve anything.

You are not helping the cause of Christ with your attitude. We do not bring people to Christ through argument but through personal relationship. We must be patient and loving. We must recognize that all sin and fall short and show people the same mercy, grace and love that was shown to us.

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I also must question another comment you made. You said that because you are a mother, the gays are not your equal. Do you have that same attitude toward women who cannot conceive? My wife has cannot have biological children because of a condition she was born with. Are you also saying that she is not your equal? Are you saying that because we do not have biological children that we are inferior and not your equal?
clarabow
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May 22, 2012
I am all about free speech, but that doesn't mean I don't get to reply with my own opinion or attack your opinion. You telling people they are not your equal because you are a mother with children is just as bad as me calling you ignorant. Sorry.

I know females that are the disciplinarians and males that are more coddling. Their kids are amazing and well-raised, but I guess you think they are not your equal since to you, male and females have very defined roles in a marriage, and anything not fitting into your specific mores are beneath you.
Iheartsarcasm
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May 19, 2012
Yes we need to live by the Bible. Because we all know that it is infallible. But I don't think we are doing enough! But, banning gay marriage according to Leviticus is our first step. We need to preserve marriage according to God's word. For example, a rapist must marry the raped and must never be allowed to divorce, after paying the father of course (Deuteronomy 22:28-29). But why stop there. We should not plant fields with two types of seed nor wear clothing woven from two different kinds of materials (Leviticus 19:19). And no more cutting hair! (Leviticus 19:27). And while I'm at it what about all these females! They need to read 1 Timothy 2:11-12. Come one people we need to enact these laws for Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 to enforce the laws of the old testament. We need to take this country back to the right values!
CopperCanyonResident
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May 22, 2012
How can one ban something that does not exist, and has never existed in human history? Even the ancient Greeks, with their, um, Greek instincts, would never have been so foolish as to think homosexual activity was on par with marriage. Marriage is the building block of society and procreation is a large part of it. If you are so foolish or deluded that you cannot accept that fact, then you are beyond hope.

Leave religion aside. The Natural Law alone is sufficient to argue against homosexual "marriage."

This bit goes into that bit. It is both unitive in marriage, and leads to the continuation of the human race. It is not a complex idea.

Or do you think a feces encrusted member is consistent with what Nature intended? If so, please explain how. I am curious how you can make sense of that.

If farmers were forced to allow same sex unions among their beasts, they would soon be out of business.
OtherSilentBOb
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May 22, 2012
CopperCanyon - This has nothing to do with who puts what where....or 'this bit goes into that bit' as you said. This is about gay Americans having access to the same rights, privileges, responsibilities, and protections that heterosexual Americans are granted with a marriage license, which is over 1,500 of them. Why should heterosexual Americans be the only ones that have access to over 1,500 protections? Heterosexuals can have marriage...but give homosexuals access to the same 1,500 rights, privileges, responsibilities, and protections that heterosexual Americans have access to. Doesn't our Declaration of Independence say "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal"? Amendment XIV of the Bill of Rights states that "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; ...nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." Our Pledge of Allegiance states "with liberty and justice for all." Plus, the Supreme Court has ruled numerous times that marriage is a basic human right guaranteed by the US Constitution. It amazes me that people are so gung-ho to protect America and shout patriotism from the rooftops while ignoring the basic founding documents of our country.
JulieBrandenburg
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May 18, 2012
And I must ask you--if left up to gays and lesbians how will you "naturally" procreate? You know--the survival of the human species.

"Biologically speaking, homosexuality violates secular natural law "derived from the physical, biological, and behavioral laws of nature as perceived by the human intellect and elaborated through reason" and observation which, simply says: Whether it be a homosexual male couple, or female, neither couple can procreate on their own. Some other process must be used be it artificial insemination, surrogates, or adoption"
OtherSilentBOb
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May 18, 2012
So the only reason people form pair-bonds is to procreate? Can you honestly say that the only reason you would get or are married is because you wanted to 'naturally procreate'? Using that logic...if you can say it's 'logic', marriage rights are only given to couple who 'naturally procreate'. What about couples who can't have children? What about women past child-bearing age? Do they deserve the same rights as fertile women? Plus, straight couples - who give birth to all the gay babies, by the way - use artificial insemination, surrogates, and adoption all the time!
GriffinYankee
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May 18, 2012
Accordingly, madam, all male-female couples that have trouble conceiving should also, then, violate secular law?? How would these otherwise loving couples have children, as you say, "naturally"?

I would also like to see the names of the authors where your quotes come from, otherwise they come across as empty statements made by delusional psychotics.
JulieBrandenburg
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May 18, 2012
OSB: If you were around 100 years ago and you had a "partner". Guess what? You would have died off. Why? Because you weren't meant to naturally procreate. Not too long ago people got married, had large families in order to survive. Lots of kids died. Thats why they had many. Liberal minded people always want to forget the past. You only want to acknowledge the here and now and what you can get out of it. As a married woman with children: You will never be my equal and you don't deserve the same as me. Children need a mother and a father not two of the same sex. All you are doing by pushing your agenda is adding bilions of more problems for society to have to deal with. Marriage is sacred. It should be viewed as such. Sacred not a right.
JulieBrandenburg
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May 19, 2012
GriffinYankee: "delusional psychotics"--this is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS the liberal's true color of intolerance of others beliefs: name calling. When we don't agree with you or have a stronger arguement of why you are wrong you begin your name calling and intolerance. When, I ask, will you ever mature and see the error of your ways?
clarabow
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May 20, 2012
JulieBrandenburg,

You are the most judgmental person I think I’ve ever encountered on my two cents, and that actually says a lot. I created an account just to tell you how judgmental you are. In addition to the constant hate you spew, you actually had the nerve to tell an individual they are not your equal because you are a married woman with children. PLEASE. Your self-righteousness is a joke. OSB has made some great points, yet you do not address his points in your responses. You just type more fodder.

I am not a liberal, but I would never tell two people they can’t love each other. When will you get it through your thick, ignorant skull that marriage is not reserved for Christians? Although I am not atheist, I know plenty of atheists that are married. You say marriage is sacred? I believe it is sacred, too. I’m a woman happily married to a man. You think homosexuality destroys marriage? You don’t think marriage has already been dragged through the mud by infidelity and divorce? Of course, you don’t care about mentioning adultery, even though it is strongly opposed in the bible. You have such a strong agenda against homosexuality that you seem to be blinded by anything else.

You are so focused on what homosexuals do in the bedroom that it freaks me out. You don’t need to concern yourself about what homosexual or heterosexual people do in their bedroom. I’m sure I do some things that you wouldn’t approve of, but it’s not your right to know it. I might even engage in *clutches pearls* some sexual perversions. Those things can be hetero or homo.

If you believe in Christian principles, then STOP JUDGING PEOPLE. Or, stop your crusade against the one thing in the bible that makes you most uncomfortable. Start attacking adulterers and heterosexual couples that copulate during menstruation.

JulieBrandenburg
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May 18, 2012
Here's an idea: Why don't OtherSilentBob, GriffinlovesSpalding,Jk2,Ga/Fl and Griffin Yankee put on the Griffin first annual gay parade?

How do you think that will go over? You may be living just a little bit too far south of the metro. Can't even imagine why you don't live there.
JulieBrandenburg
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May 18, 2012
I sure wish more leaders had the courage and principles to stand up and tell the truth like Delegate Pat McDonough of Baltimore, MD did. You can't fix the problem until you can point out what the problem is. Most leaders won't do it because they are afraid of names they may be called. Good for you Del. Pat McDonough! I support you 100%.
OtherSilentBOb
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May 18, 2012
Yeah yeah yeah…..love the sinner hate the sin. What a load of crap. A lot of so-called ‘Christians’ say that they love homosexuals but hate homosexuality, but then stand behind the cross with a Bible in hand and spew hate-filled hyperbole, half-truths, and lies about homosexuals. They are portrayed as disease-ridden immoral pedophiles that hate God and are bent on destroying families, the church, and America. How is that ‘Christian love’?

The Bible was written by men…yes, they may have been inspired by a higher power, but the reality is that the Bible was written by men with a political and social agenda. The Bible has been edited and re-edited countless times, and each time, things were changed to suit the political and social climate of the time. Yes, the Bible does speak out against homosexuality…but it also speaks out against divorce, eating shellfish, women speaking in church, calls menstruating women ‘unclean’ and not allowed to worship, and advocates the stoning of non-virgins, and stoning unruly children. Most Christian and Jewish scholars alike realize that these prohibitions are relates to the priestly class of Levites. This was a way for the Jewish priests and people to separate themselves from the ‘godless Gentiles”. Leviticus 20:13 was quoted as proof that homosexuality is wrong. What the person fails to see is that just three verses ahead of this one, we are commanded to put adulterers to death. When are Christians going to rise up and advocate for the death penalty for adulterers? And we also find in Leviticus…just three verses away from the anti-homosexuality one, that bestiality is a sin, yet bestiality is only illegal in 35 states. When will Christians rise up against this? And again in Leviticus, just five verses away from the homosexual one, states that if a couple has sex while the woman is menstruating, they should be ‘cut off from their people.’ When will Christians rise up against this? This same chapter also warns us not to eat unclean animals. When will Christians rise up against this? Seems to me there is a lot of picking and choosing what to ignore and what to take as the word of God. People tend to use the Bible as a mirror to hold up to themselves to reflect their own ignorance, bigotry, racism, and prejudices.



Let’s see how some well-known ‘Christians’ hate homosexuality, but love homosexuals: Jerry Falwell said that “[homosexuals are] brute beasts…part of a vile and Satanic system [that] will be utterly annihilated, and there will be a celebration in heaven.” Pat Robertson, who blamed the September 11th attack on gays, says that “the union of two men doesn’t bring forth anything except disease and suffering”……you can just feel the love, can’t you?

GriffinYankee
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May 18, 2012
Amen and thank you for trying to keep reason and sanity among the masses. I couldn't have spoken better!
JulieBrandenburg
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May 18, 2012
Don't be too hard on Christians. Muslims execute homosexuals, no questions asked. Whether you like it or not, this country, America, was born of Christian principles. If you don't like it: hit the road--but be careful where you end up--you may not be so welcome.
LovesGriffinSpalding
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May 18, 2012
Well put Bob. For once I have nothing to add, you said it all.
OtherSilentBOb
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May 18, 2012
Being too hard on Christians? Are you serious? What about so-called Christians being too hard on gays? Yes, they do execute gays in some countries...which is a perfect example of religion taking over government, which ironically, is what fundamental christianity is attempting to do. We have also seen in recent years a rise in "kill the gays" bills in Uganda. This is a direct result of christian leaders in the US meeting with political leaders in Uganda. With the number of young gay and lesbian kids killing themselves and the number of gay people who are beaten and harassed as a direct result of christian hat-speech against gays....don't dare tell me not to bee too hard on christians. Secondly...you need to enroll in your nearest university and take an American history class. Once you stop listening to Fox and preachers, you will realize that this country was not founded on christianity. In the US, you have the right to your so-called 'christian principles' but you do not have the right to use them to harm others. So I will continue to be 'hard on christians'!
JulieBrandenburg
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May 18, 2012
"It has been said that the wheels of justice grind slow but sure. I am not so certain this is the case any more. Lawmakers and judges are also steeped in rebellion to Christ. In fact, it is the ultra liberal activist judges who are permitting the notion of homosexual marriage to take root right before our eyes. Many of our lawmakers and judges are off center. Their evil is the love and lust for money and power. I would like to inform all who read, however, that God’s wheels grind much slower but much surer. America’s great sin is not homosexuality. America’s sin is rebellion to the Cross. Its foundation was the Cross. If you now deny your own foundation, then America will not stand. And when it falls, will good people be crushed under the blow? Of course! That is why YOU WHO ARE NOT BLIND NEED TO STAND UP FOR SOMETHING. Unite."
Jk2
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May 18, 2012
Here's a shocker for all the conservative Christians and anyone else who uses the bible to oppose same sex marriage: you don't have to be a Christian to get married. In America, you can be buddhist, Islamic, Hindu, or simply not religious. Separation of church and state is political science 101, but it seems many people have forgotten this simple concept.
OtherSilentBOb
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May 18, 2012
AMEN, Jk2! Marriage in the US is not reserved just for Christians. Actually, marriage is a CIVIL contract between two adults and the government. In reality, marriage license evolved as a contract between two men. (I'll give you my daughter for those two cows and a pig) It has nothing to do with religion of any sort. Once you get your marriage license signed, that's it...you are married. Again, nothing to do with religion. At that point, you can then choose to add the religious ceremony to your marriage.
JulieBrandenburg
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May 18, 2012
Sodomy is not a civil right.
OtherSilentBOb
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May 18, 2012
JulieBrandenburg.....consenting adults have the right to do whatever they want in the privacy of their bedroom. What you are doing is taking GLBT relationships down to a sexual level. When I meet a heterosexual couple, I don't automatically jump to what they do in bed, unlike people who look at a gay couple and automatically start breaking down their relationship to a purely sexual level. Do you wonder about what your heterosexual friends do in bed? Then you shouldn't concern yourself with what gay people do in bed.
JulieBrandenburg
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May 18, 2012
I have never heard of a heterosexual bath house. What is the need for a "bath house"?

As I am reviewing my history I would suggest you look up and define "sexual perversion."

Before you think the Episcopal, Presbryterian, or United Methodist churches are your friends--you should trace their influence all the way to the government.

I don't have a preacher. Religion is man made.
48hours
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May 18, 2012
T-SPLOST is another word for TAX, they already made up their minds and the vote is just to made u think that everyone voted yes for it, they spend it then ask to pass a vote to approve it a "cart before the horse" type of mentality that they have been using since they heard the word SPLOST. Dont forget the "T" stands for tax not transportation.
GA/FL
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May 18, 2012
If you won't force your so-called religious beliefs down my throat then I promise not to force my beliefs down your's.

re: baggy pants...I sure wish the leaders of Southern Crescent Technical College would enforce the "no baggy pants" policy. Gordon College has and it's about time SCTC did the same.

re: Ted Nugent...he is not the only one who was able to avoid the draft and Viet Nam. Check out your politicians.
CopperCanyonResident
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May 22, 2012
"Don't be too hard on Christians."

"If you won't force your so-called religious beliefs down my throat..."

Does anyone else see the irony of the above statments given the subject of these threads?
70plus
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May 17, 2012
Parents homeschool children for a variety of reasons, and research has shown that these children perform as well as, or better than, their public school attending counterparts. There are regulations parents must follow. . .one of which is the child taking an annual standardized test administered by a state approved administrator. Asking children what they are learning probably won't give you the right information. If you ask those kids getting off the school bus what they learned today I bet they'll say, "Nuttin".

peskysenior
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May 18, 2012
Homeschooled students are required to participate in learning activities for at least 4 hours per day. If an adult is truly working with a few children for a few hours a day, then the children are receiving a great deal more than they would in a classroom. People are tired of the wasted time seen in schools, safety issues from children of all ages, and requirements that seem to change daily. There are field trips for groups of homeschoolers as well as an orchestra. Administrators need to get their acts together, so schools can be safe and happy places in which to learn.